From macbiesz at optonline.net Tue Jun 1 02:58:54 2004 From: macbiesz at optonline.net (Maciek Bieszczad) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:58:54 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Sprite In-Reply-To: <200405301319.i4UDJdOf004920@skeeve.com> Message-ID: <000001c44730$8e896db0$02fea8c0@DELL> It's possible that Sprite could run on the mips64emul DECstation emulator (Ultrix runs well enough to start DECwindows): http://www.mdstud.chalmers.se/~md1gavan/mips64emul/index.html > > There where several ports: Sun3, Sun4 / SPARC, DECstation, SPUR, Sequent > > Symmetry at least. Even mixed architecture clusters where supported. See > > http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/projects/sprite/retrospective.html From dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu Fri Jun 4 01:47:20 2004 From: dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu (dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu) Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:47:20 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Multiple system call sets Message-ID: Folks, I am interested in the use of multiple system call sets in Unix systems. I recollect that Pyramid Technology machines in the 80's allowed users and/or processes to select whether to use BSD or SYSV system call semantics. Also, FreeBSD supports Linux system calls and SYSV in emulation. Does anyone know a good location (book, article, website) that discusses this. thanks dayton Dayton Clark CIS Department dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu Brooklyn College/CUNY 718.951.4811 Brooklyn, New York 11210 718.951.4842 (fax) From kiers at original.xs4all.nl Fri Jun 4 02:13:36 2004 From: kiers at original.xs4all.nl (Bert Kiers) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:13:36 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] Multiple system call sets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040603161336.GF9509@janeway.boppelans.net> On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 11:47:20AM -0400, dayton at brooklyn.cuny.edu wrote: > I recollect that Pyramid Technology machines in the 80's allowed users > and/or processes to select whether to use BSD or SYSV system call > semantics. Also, FreeBSD supports Linux system calls and SYSV in > emulation. > > Does anyone know a good location (book, article, website) that discusses > this. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/08/08/irix.html is a serie of eight articles about how NetBSD supports Irix system calls. -- Bert Kiers, !MCSE && 0xFF, frique d'ordinateur From tuhs at superglobalmegacorp.com Wed Jun 9 00:35:54 2004 From: tuhs at superglobalmegacorp.com (Jason Stevens) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:35:54 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8 Message-ID: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com> Hi, I have one question about 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8... If I'm right the reason that they were 'pulled' was because of infringing AT&T code. However didn't you need a 32v license to get access to 4.X BSD? So in that case since 32v is now public wouldn't that allow these early self hosting BSD's to be 'free' again??? Just wondering... Jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wkt at tuhs.org Wed Jun 9 11:09:28 2004 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:09:28 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8 In-Reply-To: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com> References: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com> Message-ID: <20040609010928.GA95596@minnie.tuhs.org> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 10:35:54AM -0400, Jason Stevens wrote: > Hi, I have one question about 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8... If I'm right the reason that they were 'pulled' was because of infringing AT&T code. However didn't you need a 32v license to get access to 4.X BSD? So in that case since 32v is now public wouldn't that allow these early self hosting BSD's to be 'free' again??? See ftp://minnie.tuhs.org/BSD which has Net/2, 386BSD 0.0 and 0.1. Warren From grog at lemis.com Sat Jun 12 15:37:19 2004 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:07:19 +0930 Subject: [TUHS] 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8 In-Reply-To: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com> References: <004401c44d65$e7aff2c0$8300a8c0@equitrac.com> Message-ID: <20040612053719.GC28581@wantadilla.lemis.com> [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Single line message On Tuesday, 8 June 2004 at 10:35:54 -0400, Jason Stevens wrote: > Hi, I have one question about 386BSD & NetBSD 0.8... If I'm right > the reason that they were 'pulled' was because of infringing AT&T > code. However didn't you need a 32v license to get access to 4.X > BSD? So in that case since 32v is now public wouldn't that allow > these early self hosting BSD's to be 'free' again??? Yes, assuming SCO don't decide that they never released the software. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. 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From jrvalverde at cnb.uam.es Wed Jun 16 17:42:14 2004 From: jrvalverde at cnb.uam.es (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jos=E9?= R. Valverde) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:42:14 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code In-Reply-To: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net> References: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20040616094214.6bd07887.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es> On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:35:44 -0400 Maciek Bieszczad wrote: > v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf In the first page: THIS VERSION WAS PRODUCED BY REVERTING THE SEVENTH EDITION KERNEL SOURCE CODE AND A PROGRAM WRITTEN TO GENERATE THE INDEX AND CROSS REFERENCE BY BRIAN S. WALDEN WH 3A-327 AUGUST 1998 ^^^^ Note two details: This is not the original Lion's text (1998) and the code is not the original v6 code, but rather a reversion of v7 to v6 done by BSW. See the main page v6.cuzuco.com/ where he clearly states it is a "superset" of actual v6 and the TUHS April archives of the mailing list for more details. j -- These opinions are mine and only mine. Hey man, I saw them first! José R. Valverde De nada sirve la Inteligencia Artificial cuando falta la Natural From helbig at Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE Wed Jun 16 17:37:32 2004 From: helbig at Informatik.BA-Stuttgart.DE (Wolfgang Helbig) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:37:32 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code Message-ID: <200406160743.i5G7htF00267@bsd.korb> Hi >If the source code was in fact modified by Lions, are there any machine-readable versions available? The source is not modified by Lions, aside some layout and commentary changes. You can find it at http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/research/Ken_Wellsch_v6/ By the way, the V6 documentation can be viewed at http://www.ba-stuttgart.de/~helbig/os/v6/doc/index.html Have fun, Wolfgang From wkt at tuhs.org Wed Jun 16 18:41:18 2004 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:41:18 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code In-Reply-To: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net> References: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20040616084118.GA7096@minnie.tuhs.org> On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 03:35:44PM -0400, Maciek Bieszczad wrote: > Hi, > What version, exactly, of 6th Edition source code is contained in the Lions' commentary booklets? I took a look at the version available for download at [http://v6.cuzuco.com/v6.pdf], but it does not seem to match the source code in the TUHS archives. > > If the source code was in fact modified by Lions, are there any machine-readable versions available? Here is what the Lions' Commentary actually says: This is a specially edited selection of code from the Level Six version of UNIX, as received by us in December, 1975. ... The principal editorial changes to the sourcecode are as follows: + the order of presentation of files has been changed; + the order of material within several files has been changed; + to a very limited extent, code has been transferred between files (with hindsight a lot more of this would have been desirable); + about 5% of the lines have been shortened in various ways to less than 66 characters (by elimination of blanks, rearrangement of comments, splitting into two lines, etc .); + a number of comments consisting of a line of underscore characters have been introduced, particularly at the end of procedures; + the size of each file has been adjusted to an exact multiple of 50 lines by padding with blank lines; The source code has been printed in double column format with fifty lines per column, giving one hundred lines per sheet (or page). Thus there is a convenient relationship between line numbers and sheet numbers. Cheers, Warren From macbiesz at optonline.net Thu Jun 17 03:48:34 2004 From: macbiesz at optonline.net (Maciek Bieszczad) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:34 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Lions' V6 source code In-Reply-To: <20040616094214.6bd07887.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es> References: <20040615153544.21d9dd32.macbiesz@optonline.net> <20040616094214.6bd07887.jrvalverde@cnb.uam.es> Message-ID: <20040616134834.1c548210.macbiesz@optonline.net> I agree that it is not exactly the source code which appears in the printed editions; however, it appears to come very close to it. For example, the unix/param.h file in the PDF edition macthes neither V6 or V7 code (the code itself is the same, but the comments are formatted differently, and the code is shuffled around quite a bit.) Most importantly, when I go through the commentary, the line numbers match the code exactly. My question really was how close does BSW's reproduction of the source code listing come to the originals, and is that superset available in machine-readable form? Maciek. From shoppa at trailing-edge.com Thu Jun 24 20:59:36 2004 From: shoppa at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:36 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] History of "sno" Snobol interpreter (V4, Sys V?) Message-ID: <40DAB418.nailKRX11RMPN@mini-me.trailing-edge.com> Can anyone comment about the history of the "sno" Snobol interpreter that seems to exist in V4 (man page in the archives gives 2/7/93 as the date) and some later Unix versions (Sys V, V6, etc.)? In the TUHS archives we have the V6 sources but they are remarkably comment- free. Was "sno" ever part of the build chain of any interesting utilities etc? I'm just generally curious about awk predecessors, if anyone wants to chime in with their favorite pre-awk string processing tools. Tim. From dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com Fri Jun 25 14:11:04 2004 From: dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com (dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:11:04 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Re: History of "sno" Snobol interpreter (V4, Sys V?) Message-ID: <9c44615d537f0b04b27b457bc1d38c82@plan9.bell-labs.com> Shoppa wondered, Can anyone comment about the history of the "sno" Snobol interpreter that seems to exist in V4 (man page in the archives gives 2/7/93 as the date) and some later Unix versions (Sys V, V6, etc.)? In the TUHS archives we have the V6 sources but they are remarkably comment- free. Was "sno" ever part of the build chain of any interesting utilities etc? Not that I know of; I think writing it was just a quick entertainment for Ken. The "application" that has survived is a 1-page program that solves the Soma (or Instant Insanity) puzzle. Dennis From corey at phix.com Sat Jun 26 02:16:56 2004 From: corey at phix.com (Corey) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TUHS] media: Unix's Founding Fathers Message-ID: Good article in the June 10th issue of the Economist that may be of interest to TUHS members (I would have caught it sooner, but I'm a little behind in my reading). Unix's founding fathers Jun 10th 2004 From The Economist print edition Dennis Ritchie invented C and was one of the key members of the team behind Unix - —two developments that underpin much modern software http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=S%27%2980%2EQQ7%27%23%40%23D%0A Subscription or "pay-per-view" required. I'd share the full article, but I am afraid of their lawyers. ---corey From dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com Sat Jun 26 11:54:50 2004 From: dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com (dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 21:54:50 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] re: media: Unix's Founding Fathers Message-ID: At this instant, there is an accessible link at http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=2724348 though it has some popups. A very nice story indeed. I talked to the author (Konstantin Kakaes) for a couple of hours in March. He really did want to know mostly about the kind of things the article talks about, and though the PR guy had probably told him that I wouldn't get into things like SCO, in fact that wasn't what he was interested in. Dennis From kwall at kurtwerks.com Sat Jun 26 14:02:04 2004 From: kwall at kurtwerks.com (Kurt Wall) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 00:02:04 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] re: media: Unix's Founding Fathers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040626040204.GC828@kurtwerks.com> In a 0.6K blaze of typing glory, dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > At this instant, there is an accessible > link at > > http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=2724348 > > though it has some popups. A very nice story > indeed. I talked to the author (Konstantin Kakaes) > for a couple of hours in March. He really did want > to know mostly about the kind of things the article > talks about, and though the PR guy had probably told > him that I wouldn't get into things like SCO, in fact > that wasn't what he was interested in. A very nice piece, indeed. It is refreshingly free from breathless adoration of technology. Although such an article must note the UNIX wars of the 80s and also the legal intriques, Kakaes manages to steer clear of moribund, tired prose on the subject. Nicely done. Kurt -- "This process can check if this value is zero, and if it is, it does something child-like." -- Forbes Burkowski, Computer Science 454 From wes.parish at paradise.net.nz Mon Jun 28 12:00:37 2004 From: wes.parish at paradise.net.nz (Wesley Parish) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:00:37 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [TUHS] re: media: Unix's Founding Fathers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1088388037.40df7bc54b31c@www.paradise.net.nz> I'm impressed at how successful the writer is at getting to the point. A frightening number of scribblers in that neck of the woods - "economics/etc" - need something frightfully close to "open-cranium mining" to get even simple technical concepts. Wesley Parish Quoting "dmr at plan9.bell-labs.com" : > At this instant, there is an accessible > link at > > http://www.economist.com/printedition/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=2724348 > > though it has some popups. A very nice story > indeed. I talked to the author (Konstantin Kakaes) > for a couple of hours in March. He really did want > to know mostly about the kind of things the article > talks about, and though the PR guy had probably told > him that I wouldn't get into things like SCO, in fact > that wasn't what he was interested in. > > Dennis > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > "Sharpened hands are happy hands. "Brim the tinfall with mirthful bands" - A Deepness in the Sky, Vernor Vinge "I me. Shape middled me. I would come out into hot!" I from the spicy that day was overcasked mockingly - it's a symbol of the other horizon. - emacs : meta x dissociated-press