From arnold at skeeve.com Tue Feb 1 19:01:38 2005 From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:01:38 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] licence of ditroff? Message-ID: <200502010901.j1191cDT007818@skeeve.com> > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) > From: Thorsten Glaser > Subject: Re: [TUHS] licence of ditroff? > To: Aharon Robbins > Cc: martinwguy at yahoo.it, miros-discuss at 66h.42h.de, tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org > > Aharon Robbins dixit: > > >Instead of starting with 27 year old code, you'd be better > >off taking the troff from http://www.swtch.com/plan9port. > > Thanks, that's a nice idea, but from what I experienced, > the portability of recent AT&T/Bell/Lucent/whatever code > is worse than the bugs in old code (eg. I could not get > ksh93 to compile, something in there just dumped core; > but then that's Unix, not Plan 9). ksh93 is a different animal, from a different group, and problems there are not surprising (sadly). On the flip side, they do take bug reports seriously. > >This is a port of many Plan 9 utilities to Unix. The troff there > >(a) has an explicit license that will probably do for the BSD people > > If it's the same licence as for 8c, then no, unfortunately. I don't know. It's worth double checking the current license; it changed sometime in the past year or two. The Plan 9 troff is certainly a descendant of the ditroff you found, for whatever that's worth. Arnold From tg at 66h.42h.de Tue Feb 1 03:50:26 2005 From: tg at 66h.42h.de (Thorsten Glaser) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TUHS] licence of ditroff? In-Reply-To: <200501310939.j0V9dbJF027523@skeeve.com> References: <200501310939.j0V9dbJF027523@skeeve.com> Message-ID: Aharon Robbins dixit: >Instead of starting with 27 year old code, you'd be better >off taking the troff from http://www.swtch.com/plan9port. Thanks, that's a nice idea, but from what I experienced, the portability of recent AT&T/Bell/Lucent/whatever code is worse than the bugs in old code (eg. I could not get ksh93 to compile, something in there just dumped core; but then that's Unix, not Plan 9). >This is a port of many Plan 9 utilities to Unix. The troff there >(a) has an explicit license that will probably do for the BSD people If it's the same licence as for 8c, then no, unfortunately. >(b) already knows how to produce PostScript That's a must for replacing the current oldroff (nroff). >(c) can handle UTF-8 and 16-bit Unicode That's pretty neat ;) bye, //mirabile From tg at 66h.42h.de Tue Feb 1 19:28:40 2005 From: tg at 66h.42h.de (Thorsten Glaser) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TUHS] licence of ditroff? In-Reply-To: <200502010901.j1191cDT007818@skeeve.com> References: <200502010901.j1191cDT007818@skeeve.com> Message-ID: Aharon Robbins dixit: >I don't know. It's worth double checking the current license; it >changed sometime in the past year or two. > >The Plan 9 troff is certainly a descendant of the ditroff you >found, for whatever that's worth. Okay, looks like it's really worth digging into this. But (for the rest of the audience) not until after the next stable release, MirOS #8, is out of the doors. bye, //mirabile From kstailey at yahoo.com Wed Feb 2 08:16:07 2005 From: kstailey at yahoo.com (Kenneth Stailey) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:16:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TUHS] A BSD Question In-Reply-To: <20050121142112.23409.qmail@web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050201221607.39621.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kenneth Stailey wrote: > Who was the great Yang of Cardiff-by-the-Sea? Clue #1 Evidence can be found on this CD-ROM set: https://www.mckusick.com/csrg/ From kstailey at yahoo.com Thu Feb 3 00:18:44 2005 From: kstailey at yahoo.com (Kenneth Stailey) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:18:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TUHS] A BSD Question In-Reply-To: <20050201221607.39621.qmail@web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050202141844.99627.qmail@web50603.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kenneth Stailey wrote: > > --- Kenneth Stailey wrote: > > > Who was the great Yang of Cardiff-by-the-Sea? > > Clue #1 Evidence can be found on this CD-ROM set: > > https://www.mckusick.com/csrg/ hermes# ls -l CSRG-1.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 668307456 Dec 22 2002 CSRG-1.iso hermes# md5 CSRG-1.iso MD5 (CSRG-1.iso) = f15fd77929fa27b1e2bb4cd5ffba6a95 hermes# mdconfig -a -t vnode -f CSRG-1.iso md11 hermes# mount -t cd9660 /dev/md11 /cdrom hermes# ls -l /cdrom/3bsd/crp/gazorkus -rw-r--r-- 1 root 10 52 Dec 20 1979 /cdrom/3bsd/crp/gazorkus hermes# md5 /cdrom/3bsd/crp/gazorkus MD5 (/cdrom/3bsd/crp/gazorkus) = 24556412d958c20d16306dcb37267630 hermes# cat /cdrom/3bsd/crp/gazorkus The great Yang of Cardiff-by-the-Sea strikes again! hermes# From kjax_mn at hotmail.com Thu Feb 3 03:09:23 2005 From: kjax_mn at hotmail.com (Keith Jackson) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 11:09:23 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] stuff Message-ID: Maybe somebody wants this stuff? http://madsoft.lonestar.org/garage/