From wkt at tuhs.org Mon Mar 1 14:37:56 2010 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:37:56 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website Message-ID: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines. The initial version is at http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl but I will probably move the URL at some point. Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept suggestions on better or more accurate descriptions for each of the releases, also checking of dates and other information. Cheers, Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From grog at lemis.com Mon Mar 1 14:57:16 2010 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:57:16 +1100 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com> On Monday, 1 March 2010 at 14:37:56 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where > you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The > file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines. Great stuff! > Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept > suggestions on better or more accurate descriptions for each of the > releases, also checking of dates and other information. I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition, and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found reason to change the timestamps and the version? Greg -- Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've had this code on my machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found reason to change the timestamps and the version? Greg -- Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have you found > reason to change the timestamps and the version? It's a hard one to categorise, so here is my opinion: 4th Edition, released November 1973, was the first edition with a kernel written in C; 3rd Edition's kernel was still in assembly. The nsys kernel has timestamps up to August 31, 1973, so it's only a few months away from 4th Edition, and nsys is a kernel written in C. Therefore, I decided to categorise nsys under 4th Edition. Dennis and I had an ongoing discussion about the timestamps in the original nsys tape. He originally thought the files were dated 22 Jan, 1973. We worked out that there was a nuxi problem in interpreting the dates, and Jan 1973 was too early, as the C compiler at that time did not support structs. So the August 31, 1973 timestamp for the files seems to be correct. Anyway, I could either put it in V3 or V4, but either way it needs a long explanation as to why it is placed there. Cheers, Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From cowan at ccil.org Mon Mar 1 15:32:26 2010 From: cowan at ccil.org (John Cowan) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 00:32:26 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20100301053225.GC11579@mercury.ccil.org> Greg 'groggy' Lehey scripsit: > I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition, > and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my > machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was > the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found > reason to change the timestamps and the version? As I've pointed out before, Editions are snapshots of the manual, and there's no particular reason to suppose that a given snapshot of the code corresponds exactly to any one of them. -- At the end of the Metatarsal Age, the dinosaurs John Cowan abruptly vanished. The theory that a single cowan at ccil.org catastrophic event may have been responsible http://www.ccil.org/~cowan has been strengthened by the recent discovery of a worldwide layer of whipped cream marking the Creosote-Tutelary boundary. --Science Made Stupid From cowan at ccil.org Mon Mar 1 15:32:26 2010 From: cowan at ccil.org (John Cowan) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 00:32:26 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20100301053225.GC11579@mercury.ccil.org> Greg 'groggy' Lehey scripsit: > I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition, > and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my > machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was > the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found > reason to change the timestamps and the version? As I've pointed out before, Editions are snapshots of the manual, and there's no particular reason to suppose that a given snapshot of the code corresponds exactly to any one of them. -- At the end of the Metatarsal Age, the dinosaurs John Cowan abruptly vanished. The theory that a single cowan at ccil.org catastrophic event may have been responsible http://www.ccil.org/~cowan has been strengthened by the recent discovery of a worldwide layer of whipped cream marking the Creosote-Tutelary boundary. --Science Made Stupid _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From grog at lemis.com Mon Mar 1 16:49:08 2010 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:49:08 +1100 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com> <20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100301064908.GE37747@dereel.lemis.com> On Monday, 1 March 2010 at 15:21:49 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:16PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition, >> and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my >> machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was >> the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found >> reason to change the timestamps and the version? > > It's a hard one to categorise, so here is my opinion: > > ... Yes, I thought it might be something like that. > Anyway, I could either put it in V3 or V4, but either way it needs a > long explanation as to why it is placed there. It looks to me as if you've made the right choice, but it wouldn't harm to add your explanation to the web pages. Greg -- Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grog at lemis.com Mon Mar 1 16:49:08 2010 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 17:49:08 +1100 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100301045716.GD37747@dereel.lemis.com> <20100301052149.GA27407@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100301064908.GE37747@dereel.lemis.com> On Monday, 1 March 2010 at 15:21:49 +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:16PM +1100, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> I'm interested to see that you've put nsys in as the Fourth Edition, >> and that the timestamps are 1973-8-31. I've had this code on my >> machine for years (almost certainly from you), but I thought it was >> the Third Edition, and the time stamps are 1973-1-22. Have you found >> reason to change the timestamps and the version? > > It's a hard one to categorise, so here is my opinion: > > ... Yes, I thought it might be something like that. > Anyway, I could either put it in V3 or V4, but either way it needs a > long explanation as to why it is placed there. It looks to me as if you've made the right choice, but it wouldn't harm to add your explanation to the web pages. Greg -- Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The > file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines. > > The initial version is at http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl > but I will probably move the URL at some point. > > Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept suggestions on > better or more accurate descriptions for each of the releases, also checking > of dates and other information. Hi, would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ? ex. : http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/bin/cat/cat.c.diff?r1=1.2&r2=1.46.12.1&f=h Regards, Cyrille Lefevre -- mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre-lists at laposte.net From cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net Sun Mar 7 00:27:01 2010 From: cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net (Cyrille Lefevre) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 15:27:01 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> Warren Toomey a écrit : > All, I've spent a bit of time re-writing my "Unix Tree" website, where > you can browse the source code trees and compare related files. The > file comparison now uses colour to show similar lines. > > The initial version is at http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl > but I will probably move the URL at some point. > > Have a look and see what you think. I would gladly accept suggestions on > better or more accurate descriptions for each of the releases, also checking > of dates and other information. Hi, would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ? ex. : http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/src/bin/cat/cat.c.diff?r1=1.2&r2=1.46.12.1&f=h Regards, Cyrille Lefevre -- mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre-lists at laposte.net _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From wkt at tuhs.org Sun Mar 7 08:33:09 2010 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:33:09 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> Message-ID: <20100306223309.GA11796@minnie.tuhs.org> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the > scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ? I'll see what I can do :) Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From wkt at tuhs.org Sun Mar 7 12:14:07 2010 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:14:07 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling In-Reply-To: <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> Message-ID: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the > scrollable one ? I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you think. My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML code, I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should be easy enough to try alternatives. The URL is now officially http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree I also want to add these other releases: 4BSD 4.1BSD which one? 4.2BSD 4.4BSD LSX Ultrix-32 which one? Venix? If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know. Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society. If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can be let out. Thanks, Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From neozeed at gmail.com Sun Mar 7 12:30:42 2010 From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:30:42 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com> I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS stuff... and maybe the soviet DEMOS stuff...? On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: > On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > > would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the > > scrollable one ? > > I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you > think. > My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML > code, > I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should > be > easy enough to try alternatives. > > The URL is now officially http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree > > I also want to add these other releases: > 4BSD > 4.1BSD which one? > 4.2BSD > 4.4BSD > LSX > Ultrix-32 which one? > Venix? > > If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know. > Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society. > If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love > to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go > into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can > be let out. > > Thanks, > Warren > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neozeed at gmail.com Sun Mar 7 12:30:42 2010 From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:30:42 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com> I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS stuff... and maybe the soviet DEMOS stuff...? On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: > On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > > would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the > > scrollable one ? > > I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you > think. > My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML > code, > I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should > be > easy enough to try alternatives. > > The URL is now officially http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree > > I also want to add these other releases: > 4BSD > 4.1BSD which one? > 4.2BSD > 4.4BSD > LSX > Ultrix-32 which one? > Venix? > > If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know. > Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society. > If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love > to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go > into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can > be let out. > > Thanks, > Warren > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That was a pretty cool time. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com From lm at bitmover.com Sun Mar 7 15:14:08 2010 From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:14:08 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com> > I also want to add these other releases: > 4BSD > 4.1BSD which one? 4.1c was the one that worked, right? > 4.2BSD No 4.3? That was a nice one. > 4.4BSD > LSX > Ultrix-32 which one? > Venix? > > If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know. > Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society. > If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love > to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go SysVR4.2 was never my favorite. System V in general was a poor excuse for a Unix release. We still have SCO running here and it's pretty close to Sys V and, well, yuck. And I speak as the guy who added TCP/IP networking to SCO. If I had any fondness for it I'd be showing it. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com From lm at bitmover.com Sun Mar 7 15:15:14 2010 From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:15:14 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling In-Reply-To: <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100307051514.GC24920@bitmover.com> On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:30:42PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote: > I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS Heh. I was at Uwisc when that work was being done. That was a pretty cool time. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From lm at bitmover.com Sun Mar 7 15:14:08 2010 From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 21:14:08 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com> > I also want to add these other releases: > 4BSD > 4.1BSD which one? 4.1c was the one that worked, right? > 4.2BSD No 4.3? That was a nice one. > 4.4BSD > LSX > Ultrix-32 which one? > Venix? > > If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know. > Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society. > If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love > to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go SysVR4.2 was never my favorite. System V in general was a poor excuse for a Unix release. We still have SCO running here and it's pretty close to Sys V and, well, yuck. And I speak as the guy who added TCP/IP networking to SCO. If I had any fondness for it I'd be showing it. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From grog at lemis.com Sun Mar 7 16:02:16 2010 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 17:02:16 +1100 Subject: [TUHS] More versions in the tree (was: Unix Tree: side scrolling) In-Reply-To: <20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100307051407.GB24920@bitmover.com> Message-ID: <20100307060216.GE98136@dereel.lemis.com> On Saturday, 6 March 2010 at 21:14:08 -0800, Larry McVoy wrote: >> I also want to add these other releases: >> 4BSD >> 4.1BSD which one? > > 4.1c was the one that worked, right? Well, it's interesting as the first operating system with support for TCP/IP, so I'd vote for that too. >> I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go ... > > SysVR4.2 was never my favorite. System V in general was a poor > excuse for a Unix release. Heh. All the more reason to have a representative of the branch, so that people can see for themselves. > We still have SCO running here and it's pretty close to Sys V Possibly it would look that way revisited now. It certainly didn't to us 20 years ago. We were running, well, System V.2, and we wanted a UNIX for our PCs. We ended up with Interactive, which was a whole lot better than SCO. Greg -- Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wasn't the first TCP/IP implementation done at BBN on a PDP-10 running TOPS-10? -- tschüß, Jochen Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/ _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net Sun Mar 7 22:08:56 2010 From: cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net (Cyrille Lefevre) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:08:56 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100306223309.GA11796@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100306223309.GA11796@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <4B939758.4010000@laposte.net> Warren Toomey a écrit : > On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 03:27:01PM +0100, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: >> would it be possible to have a side-by-side colored diff instead of the >> scrollable one ? such as the one of cvsweb ? > > I'll see what I can do :) > Warren thanks, see you. -- mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre-lists at laposte.net From neozeed at gmail.com Mon Mar 8 03:17:26 2010 From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:17:26 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: demos In-Reply-To: <20100307134709.GA2730@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <46b366131003061830ue9112bcjf0b8989fb2c05a71@mail.gmail.com> <20100307134709.GA2730@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <46b366131003070917w312d20bbj8fda064b9f8b7fd4@mail.gmail.com> I found some disk images online that say it's for the PDP-11 version... let me see what I can pull from them for you. The UWISC stuff is here: http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/4BSD/Distributions/thirdparty/UWisc4.3/ On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Warren Toomey wrote: > On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 09:30:42PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote: > > I'd probably ask about that 4.3 Uwisc the wisconson one with the SUN NFS > > stuff... and maybe the soviet DEMOS stuff...? > > Do you have the demos stuff? I have a pile of files, but it's all a jumble. > If you have it, could you sit down a create a sensible tree of text-only > files (i.e. no binary files) which I could add to the Unix Tree? > > I'll see if I have 4.3 Uwisc here too. > > Thanks, > Warren > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I ran strings through the disks, and I got some basic header files, oddly all in English, but no kernel or system source code, just some Fortran example.... I'll have to ask someone in Russia if they have any real solid leads on DEMOS... It seems that once the Soviet Union fell, everyone abandoned DEMOS for any of the BSD's... On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 12:17:26PM -0500, Jason Stevens wrote: > > I found some disk images online that say it's for the PDP-11 version... > let > > me see what I can pull from them for you. > > The UWISC stuff is here: > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/4BSD/Distributions/thirdparty/UWisc4.3/ > > Thanks Jason! > Warren > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or MERT :-S Cheers, Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From dpeschel at eskimo.com Mon Mar 8 14:25:34 2010 From: dpeschel at eskimo.com (Derek Peschel) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 20:25:34 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] hyphen.c, was Unix Tree In-Reply-To: <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <5272AFCB-C6BE-4B68-AFD8-03531796377B@eskimo.com> On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: > I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or MERT :-S Absolutely! Even MERT documentation would be interesting. The other two systems you mention are probably interesting too, except that I've never even heard about them so I can't say. For the record, I've posted a couple of times to the list asking various esoteric questions about virtualization. That's why I'm interested in MERT in particular. -- Derek From iking at killthewabbit.org Mon Mar 8 15:59:29 2010 From: iking at killthewabbit.org (Ian King) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:59:29 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] hyphen.c, was Unix Tree In-Reply-To: <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100308014830.GA21992@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <5F3D8F71-A6B1-4AD5-BC14-28ED5BECD965@killthewabbit.org> Hey Warren, you know what they say: wish in one hand, do something else in the other.... :-) Speaking of wishing: any news from Mr. Ritchie on PDP-7 UNIX fragments? We're getting closer to having our -7 running, likely before summer here in the Other Hemisphere. BTW, do you know anything of the whereabouts of LISP for the -7? I know it existed, as a descendant of the PDP-1 interpreter, but I have had no luck so far finding it. I may just write one of my own, premised on the functionality of the -1 version, but for history's sake I'd love to find a paper tape (or image thereof) of the original -7 implementation. Wishing in my one hand.... Cheers -- Ian On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:48 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: > As an interesting side-note, last year when we were trying to recover > the Second Edition commands source code from the s1-bits.gz DECtape > image, > there was a leftover file which I labelled unknown.c. > > The Unix tree now shows that V2 unknown.c is actually hyphen.c, which > reappears in System III: > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V2/cmd/unknown.c > > Now, does anybody know what happened to hyphen.c between mid-1972 and > mid-1980? There is a hyphen(1) V3 manual and a hyphen(6) V4 manual. > > Could it have gone off towards PWB or CB UNIX or UNIX/TS? > > I wish we could get copies of CB UNIX or UNIX/TS or MERT :-S > > Cheers, > Warren > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From newsham at lava.net Tue Mar 9 06:59:54 2010 From: newsham at lava.net (Tim Newsham) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:59:54 -1000 (HST) Subject: [TUHS] mnos and demos Message-ID: Do repositories of MNOS and DEMOS operating system source code or binaries exist? Do either of these run on simh or other simulators? (were the PDP11 and VAX11 knockoffs close enough matches to the originals?) 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A "TEST" directory contains: ctest.c: ISO-8859 C program text f77test1.f: ASCII text f77test2.f: ISO-8859 text hdr: ISO-8859 text kcgd: PDP-11 executable not stripped main: ISO-8859 text primer: ISO-8859 text printend: ISO-8859 text PROT: ISO-8859 text, with escape sequences run_test: POSIX shell script text t1: ISO-8859 text t2: ISO-8859 text t3: C shell script text t4: ISO-8859 text t5: ISO-8859 text t6: ISO-8859 text test1.sc: ISO-8859 text test2.sc: ISO-8859 text test3.sc: ISO-8859 text test4.sc: ISO-8859 text text: ISO-8859 C program text text.std: ISO-8859 text Will futz around with the other .DK files when I have more time... > which looks like a bunch of disk images, but they didn't boot for me either > in SIMH or a few russian pdp-11 emulators..... Perhaps they are Dectape or other tape type??? --snip-- Cheers, Lyle -- Lyle Bickley, KF6ZGI Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From wkt at tuhs.org Tue Mar 9 11:37:23 2010 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 11:37:23 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: 4BSDs now in In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100309013723.GA25661@minnie.tuhs.org> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 12:14:07PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > I also want to add these other releases: > 4BSD > 4.1BSD which one? > 4.2BSD > 4.4BSD > LSX A fair sampling of the 4BSDs and LSX are now in the Unix Tree. I haven't put 4.3-Tahoe in, but 4.3 and 4.3-Reno are in. What do you think, is -Tahoe different enough to be a useful addition? Thanks, Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net Tue Mar 9 19:38:39 2010 From: cyrille.lefevre-lists at laposte.net (Cyrille Lefevre) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 10:38:39 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <4B96171F.5070104@laposte.net> Warren Toomey a écrit : > If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know. > Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society. > If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love > to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go > into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can > be let out. Hi, things I have : irix 6.5.5 osf1 1.0.0 solaris 2.6 sunos 4.1.3 sunos 4.1.4 ultrix 2.0 ultrix 4.2 ultrix 4.3 usl 4.2 aka SVR4.2 most in source and binary form. things I want : hp-ux 9.x, 10.x and 11.x aix 4.3 and 5.2 deal :-) Regards, Cyrille Lefevre -- mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre-lists at laposte.net _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 23:22:01 2010 From: madcrow.maxwell at gmail.com (Michael Kerpan) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:22:01 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: side scrolling In-Reply-To: <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <8dd2d95c1003090522icdb2bf4o15316c442173235a@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Warren Toomey wrote: > I've added side scrolling now. Please have a look at it and see what you think. > My HTML skills are limited, so if someone can suggest some better HTML code, > I'd be happy to try it out. All the HTML is in template form, so it should be > easy enough to try alternatives. > > The URL is now officially       http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree > > I also want to add these other releases: >        4BSD >        4.1BSD which one? >        4.2BSD >        4.4BSD >        LSX >        Ultrix-32 which one? >        Venix? > > If there are any other ones you'd like to see in the tree, let me know. > Now's the time to ask for any other donations to the Heritage Society. > If you have any releases which are not yet in the Unix Archive, I'd love > to know. I still seriously want to get a copy of SysVR4.2, which will go > into the hidden vault to keep the bits safe until some day when they can > be let out. How about addid a couple of modern FOSS Unix descendants like FreeBSD and NetBSD and OpenSolaris. It would be great to see just how much V7 code still lives in these newer systems. Anyway, I don't have anything new to offer except for my words of gratitude. The source comparison feature is just plain awesome. It makes me feel like one of those scientists who figures out family trees by doing DNA comparisons ;) Mike From wkt at tuhs.org Wed Mar 10 07:05:19 2010 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:05:19 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Unix Tree: what else? In-Reply-To: <8dd2d95c1003090522icdb2bf4o15316c442173235a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <4B926635.5030102@laposte.net> <20100307021407.GA18028@minnie.tuhs.org> <8dd2d95c1003090522icdb2bf4o15316c442173235a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100309210519.GB21946@minnie.tuhs.org> On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 08:22:01AM -0500, Michael Kerpan wrote: > How about addid a couple of modern FOSS Unix descendants like FreeBSD > and NetBSD and OpenSolaris. It would be great to see just how much V7 > code still lives in these newer systems. Good idea. I might do a subset of OpenSolaris and FreeBSD: they are just way too big :) Maybe also Minix and an early Linux. Thanks, Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From wkt at tuhs.org Wed Mar 17 13:43:11 2010 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:43:11 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org> I've added a better assembly parser, and a manpage/textfile parser to the Unix Tree, and I've also imported the plaintext from the 1st Edition manuals which Dennis Ritchie scanned in. Some interesting results: There are still some vestiges of the 1st Edition manuals in 4.4BSD: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/manintro.txt http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ed.1 http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ld.1 among others. Cheers, Warren _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From lm at bitmover.com Wed Mar 17 13:56:33 2010 From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:56:33 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100317035633.GB19006@bitmover.com> Doesn't suprise me at all. I looked at the code when the BSD fuss was going on and bmap() was still the same. After all those years and all that fuss. Jolitz was right. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:43:11PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > I've added a better assembly parser, and a manpage/textfile parser to the > Unix Tree, and I've also imported the plaintext from the 1st Edition manuals > which Dennis Ritchie scanned in. Some interesting results: > > There are still some vestiges of the 1st Edition manuals in 4.4BSD: > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/manintro.txt > http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ed.1 > http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ld.1 > > among others. > > Cheers, > Warren > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com From lm at bitmover.com Wed Mar 17 13:56:33 2010 From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:56:33 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] New Unix Tree website In-Reply-To: <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20100301043756.GA23969@minnie.tuhs.org> <20100317034311.GA26452@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20100317035633.GB19006@bitmover.com> Doesn't suprise me at all. I looked at the code when the BSD fuss was going on and bmap() was still the same. After all those years and all that fuss. Jolitz was right. On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 01:43:11PM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > I've added a better assembly parser, and a manpage/textfile parser to the > Unix Tree, and I've also imported the plaintext from the 1st Edition manuals > which Dennis Ritchie scanned in. Some interesting results: > > There are still some vestiges of the 1st Edition manuals in 4.4BSD: > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/manintro.txt > http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ed.1 > http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V1/man/man1/ld.1 > > among others. > > Cheers, > Warren > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From lehmann at ans-netz.de Sun Mar 21 23:09:11 2010 From: lehmann at ans-netz.de (Oliver Lehmann) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:09:11 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] TCP/IP on a System III? Message-ID: <20100321140911.284b64b4.lehmann@ans-netz.de> Hi, has someone ever tried to grab the old BSD sources where TCP/IP showed up first and tried to use them to implement TCP/IP support for an old SYSIII UNIX (ZEUS comp.)? I tried this but I got scared by so much things which would need to be done, inter-process communication, pseudo terminal support are just the "starting points" and at the end it is also the kinda old C compiler which has problems with the BSD sources (#defs to long for the cpp for example)... Has someone experience with this kind of topic? -- Oliver Lehmann http://www.pofo.de/ http://wishlist.ans-netz.de/ _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From neozeed at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 00:08:31 2010 From: neozeed at gmail.com (Jason Stevens) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:08:31 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] TCP/IP on a System III? In-Reply-To: <20100321140911.284b64b4.lehmann@ans-netz.de> References: <20100321140911.284b64b4.lehmann@ans-netz.de> Message-ID: <46b366131003210708i574da1e6p18f66c6a624b0ee2@mail.gmail.com> I was looking down this road for Xenix as a matter of fact, and looking through some old news groups they all mention to use the free KA9Q stuff... http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/ I haven't even begun to look at what needs to be done..... But it's my understanding it's all done in user space. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Oliver Lehmann wrote: > Hi, > > has someone ever tried to grab the old BSD sources where TCP/IP showed up > first and tried to use them to implement TCP/IP support for an old SYSIII > UNIX (ZEUS comp.)? > I tried this but I got scared by so much things which would need to be > done, inter-process communication, pseudo terminal support are just the > "starting points" and at the end it is also the kinda old C compiler > which has problems with the BSD sources (#defs to long for the cpp for > example)... > > Has someone experience with this kind of topic? > > -- > Oliver Lehmann > http://www.pofo.de/ > http://wishlist.ans-netz.de/ > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From lehmann at ans-netz.de Mon Mar 22 16:51:36 2010 From: lehmann at ans-netz.de (Oliver Lehmann) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:51:36 +0100 Subject: [TUHS] TCP/IP on a System III? In-Reply-To: <46b366131003210708i574da1e6p18f66c6a624b0ee2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100321140911.284b64b4.lehmann@ans-netz.de> <46b366131003210708i574da1e6p18f66c6a624b0ee2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100322065136.46622.qmail@avocado.salatschuessel.net> Re: [TUHS] TCP/IP on a System III? writes: > I was looking down this road for Xenix as a matter of fact, and looking > through some old news groups they all mention to use the free KA9Q stuff... > > http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/ Yeah, I got this running a year ago on that system but only with SLIP. Data transfer rates via SLIP are horrible and we are planning to build a network card. But for that I definitly want TCP/IP in the kernel. There are also chips out which are doing all the TCP/IP and UDP stuff on their own. Maybe this is an option too as it for example stresses the system not so much which should be good in a matter of performance too. _______________________________________________ TUHS mailing list TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs