From meillo at marmaro.de Mon Jun 1 04:06:03 2015 From: meillo at marmaro.de (markus schnalke) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 20:06:03 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] Questions about the history of cut(1) In-Reply-To: References: <201505181036.t4IAagZS031943@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu> Message-ID: <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de> Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped and encouraged me. [2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole > > I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely in PWB 3.0 [which was > "rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in PWB 2.0. >   Mashey might remember.   I'll check any doc I have at home tonight, but do > not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere.  I think Warren has a TAR image > from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check. This is what I found out so far: 1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online: http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's the same. 2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut: http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/ 3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0. 4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages, which date November 1979: ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf (cut is on PDF page 57) Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much useful information at all on CB Unix. Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on. I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix. meillo From david at kdbarto.org Mon Jun 1 04:14:17 2015 From: david at kdbarto.org (David Barto) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:14:17 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] So I'm looking through some old SVR3.1 source Message-ID: Just cuz of this list and recent comments about SVRx and I see this comment in ftrap.s fpreent: # this is the point we return to # when we are executing the n+1th # floating point instruction in a # contiguous sequence of floating # point instructions (floating # pointlessly forever?) Makes me wonder how many other humorous comments are buried in the code. David Oh, if no one out there has a SVR3.1 distribution (apparently for the 3b2), I’ve got one to send out…. From b4 at gewt.net Mon Jun 1 04:29:17 2015 From: b4 at gewt.net (Cory Smelosky) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 14:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TUHS] So I'm looking through some old SVR3.1 source In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 31 May 2015, David Barto wrote: > Just cuz of this list and recent comments about SVRx and I see this comment in ftrap.s > > fpreent: # this is the point we return to > # when we are executing the n+1th > # floating point instruction in a > # contiguous sequence of floating > # point instructions (floating > # pointlessly forever?) > > > Makes me wonder how many other humorous comments are buried in the code. > Hmmm. I can't find ftrap.s in mine. > David > > Oh, if no one out there has a SVR3.1 distribution (apparently for the 3b2), I?ve got one to send out?. > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects From mah at mhorton.net Mon Jun 1 08:18:12 2015 From: mah at mhorton.net (Mary Ann Horton) Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 15:18:12 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Questions about the history of cut(1) In-Reply-To: <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de> References: <201505181036.t4IAagZS031943@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu> <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de> Message-ID: <556B88A4.3080605@mhorton.net> CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a strong hint that PWB 2 had cut/paste. My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have any doc or source to confirm that. On 05/31/2015 11:06 AM, markus schnalke wrote: > Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped and encouraged me. > > [2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole >> I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely in PWB 3.0 [which was >> "rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in PWB 2.0. >> Mashey might remember. I'll check any doc I have at home tonight, but do >> not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere. I think Warren has a TAR image >> from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check. > > This is what I found out so far: > > 1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online: > http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c > In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's > the same. > > 2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut: > http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/ > > 3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0. > > 4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I > haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages, > which date November 1979: > ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf > (cut is on PDF page 57) > Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much > useful information at all on CB Unix. > > > Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on. > > I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and > CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix. > > > meillo > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From clemc at ccc.com Tue Jun 2 00:14:53 2015 From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 10:14:53 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Questions about the history of cut(1) In-Reply-To: <556B88A4.3080605@mhorton.net> References: <201505181036.t4IAagZS031943@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu> <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de> <556B88A4.3080605@mhorton.net> Message-ID: +1 Similarly, I can not find any PWB 2.0 info, but I agree that if CB UNIX had it, that is a strong indication that it was part of PWB 2.0. On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Mary Ann Horton wrote: > CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a strong hint that PWB 2 > had cut/paste. My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have any > doc or source to confirm that. > > > On 05/31/2015 11:06 AM, markus schnalke wrote: > >> Thanks a lot for all your responses. They helped and encouraged me. >> >> [2015-05-18 11:06] Clem Cole >> >>> I thought it came from USG, as it was definitely in PWB 3.0 [which was >>> "rebranded" as System III post break-up], I think it may have been in >>> PWB 2.0. >>> Mashey might remember. I'll check any doc I have at home tonight, >>> but do >>> not think I still have PWB 2.0 bits anywhere. I think Warren has a TAR >>> image >>> from Henry of the PWB 1.0 which to check. >>> >> >> This is what I found out so far: >> >> 1) cut was part of System III. The sources are online: >> http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=SysIII/usr/src/cmd/cut.c >> In consequence, cut was part of PWB 3.0, as well, because that's >> the same. >> >> 2) These sources of (presumely) PWB 1.0 show no signs of cut: >> http://minnie.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/usdl/ >> >> 3) I couldn't find any sources or useful documentation about PWB 2.0. >> >> 4) I've discovered that cut was present in CB Unix 2.1 (which I >> haven't even known it existed. ;-) ). I found scanned man pages, >> which date November 1979: >> >> ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/unix/UnixArchive/PDP-11/Distributions/other/CB_Unix/cbunix_man1_02.pdf >> (cut is on PDF page 57) >> Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find sources or, actually, much >> useful information at all on CB Unix. >> >> >> Possibly, you can help me a further step from this point on. >> >> I think, interesting would be sources or docs about PWB 2.0 and >> CB Unix and the relation i.e. code transfer between PWB and CB Unix. >> >> >> meillo >> _______________________________________________ >> TUHS mailing list >> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs >> > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meillo at marmaro.de Wed Jun 3 03:31:56 2015 From: meillo at marmaro.de (markus schnalke) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 19:31:56 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] Questions about the history of cut(1) In-Reply-To: References: <201505181036.t4IAagZS031943@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu> <1Yz7cZ-3Wn-00@marmaro.de> <556B88A4.3080605@mhorton.net> Message-ID: <1Yzq2e-0rq-00@marmaro.de> [2015-06-01 10:14] Clem Cole > > +1 > > Similarly, I can not find any PWB 2.0 info, but I agree that if CB UNIX had > it, that is a strong indication that it was part of PWB 2.0. > > On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Mary Ann Horton wrote: > >> CB UNIX paralleled USG/PWB versions, so that's a strong hint that PWB 2 >> had cut/paste. My recollection is also that it did, but I don't have any >> doc or source to confirm that. Thanks to both of you. meillo From beebe at math.utah.edu Sat Jun 6 03:16:59 2015 From: beebe at math.utah.edu (Nelson H. F. Beebe) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 11:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [TUHS] Unix and the PDP-10 Message-ID: This new paper may be of interest to list readers: Dan Murphy TENEX and TOPS-20 IEEE Annals of the History of Computing 37(1) 75--82 (2015) http://dx.doi.org/10.1109/MAHC.2015.15 In particular, the author notes on page 81: >> ... >> The fact that UNIX was implemented in a reasonably portable language >> (at least as compared with 36-bit MACRO) also encouraged its spread to >> new and less expensive machines. If I could have done just one thing >> differently in the history of TENEX and TOPS-20, it would be to have >> coded it in a higher-level language. With that, it's probable that the >> system, or at least large parts of it, would have spread to other >> architectures and ultimately survived the demise of the 36-bit >> architecture. >> ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Nelson H. F. Beebe Tel: +1 801 581 5254 - - University of Utah FAX: +1 801 581 4148 - - Department of Mathematics, 110 LCB Internet e-mail: beebe at math.utah.edu - - 155 S 1400 E RM 233 beebe at acm.org beebe at computer.org - - Salt Lake City, UT 84112-0090, USA URL: http://www.math.utah.edu/~beebe/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From arnold at skeeve.com Thu Jun 11 21:31:44 2015 From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:31:44 +0300 Subject: [TUHS] DMR's web site Message-ID: <201506111131.t5BBVinx002446@skeeve.com> Hello All. FYI. Warren - can you mirror? > Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 04:41:39 -0400 (EDT) > From: Brian Kernighan > Subject: dmr web site (fwd) > > Finally indeed. I can't recall who else asked me about > Dennis's pages, so feel free to pass this on. > And someone ought to make a mirror. If I were not far > away at the moment, I'd do so myself. > > Brian > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2015 16:32:13 -0400 > To: Brian Kernighan > Subject: dmr web site > > finally, try this: https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/ > > It's almost a complete copy of Dennis Ritchie's pages, with some > adaptation needed for the new location. There are a few broken links, > but hopefully they're not too annoying. From 0intro at gmail.com Thu Jun 11 21:40:49 2015 From: 0intro at gmail.com (David du Colombier) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:40:49 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] DMR's web site In-Reply-To: <201506111131.t5BBVinx002446@skeeve.com> References: <201506111131.t5BBVinx002446@skeeve.com> Message-ID: By the way, a full mirror of the former Bell Labs CSRC server is available here: https://9p.io/ Of course, it includes Dennis Ritchie's pages: https://9p.io/who/dmr -- David du Colombier From sdaoden at yandex.com Thu Jun 11 22:18:05 2015 From: sdaoden at yandex.com (Steffen Nurpmeso) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:18:05 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] DMR's web site In-Reply-To: References: <201506111131.t5BBVinx002446@skeeve.com> Message-ID: <20150611121805.ze9kKhNWMILR%sdaoden@yandex.com> David du Colombier <0intro at gmail.com> wrote: |By the way, a full mirror of the former Bell Labs CSRC server \ |is available here: | |https://9p.io/ | |Of course, it includes Dennis Ritchie's pages: | |https://9p.io/who/dmr And there the photograph of Dennis Ritchie shows a human being, not a distorted artifact. --steffen From cubexyz at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 04:23:33 2015 From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:23:33 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5 Message-ID: I noticed that the assembly source file for blackjack is missing from the source tree so I tried to recreate it, so far unsuccessfully. My first idea was to grab bj.s from 2.11BSD and assemble it the Unix v5 as command. That seems to generate a bunch of errors. Also other assembly source files don't seem to have .even in them. Another idea would be generate the source code from the executable itself, but there doesn't seem to be a disassembler for early Unix. It's possible that v5 bj.s was printed out somewhere but so far no luck finding it. Mark From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 04:39:36 2015 From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5 Message-ID: <20150612183937.00ECF18C0BE@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > From: Mark Longridge > My first idea was to grab bj.s from 2.11BSD and assemble it the Unix v5 > as command. That seems to generate a bunch of errors. Also other > assembly source files don't seem to have .even in them. My first question was going to be 'Maybe try an earlier version of the source?', but I see there is no earlier version online. Odd. ISTR that some of the fun things in V6 came without source, maybe blackjack was the same way? > Another idea would be generate the source code from the executable > itself, but there doesn't seem to be a disassembler for early Unix. Where's the binary? I'd like to take a look at it, and see if the source was assembler, or C (there's a C version in the source tree, too). Then I can look and see how close it is to that 2.11 source - that may be a re-implementation, and totally different. Noel From cubexyz at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 05:01:51 2015 From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:01:51 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5 In-Reply-To: <20150612183937.00ECF18C0BE@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20150612183937.00ECF18C0BE@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: Here it is: http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v5-bj-pdp-11-executable Judging by it's small size I figure the original code was assembly language. On 6/12/15, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Mark Longridge > > > My first idea was to grab bj.s from 2.11BSD and assemble it the Unix > v5 > > as command. That seems to generate a bunch of errors. Also other > > assembly source files don't seem to have .even in them. > > My first question was going to be 'Maybe try an earlier version of the > source?', but I see there is no earlier version online. Odd. ISTR that some > of the fun things in V6 came without source, maybe blackjack was the same > way? > > > Another idea would be generate the source code from the executable > > itself, but there doesn't seem to be a disassembler for early Unix. > > Where's the binary? I'd like to take a look at it, and see if the source > was > assembler, or C (there's a C version in the source tree, too). Then I can > look and see how close it is to that 2.11 source - that may be a > re-implementation, and totally different. > > Noel > From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 05:31:23 2015 From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 15:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5 Message-ID: <20150612193123.F29F418C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > From: Mark Longridge > My first idea was to grab bj.s from 2.11BSD and assemble it the Unix v5 > as command. That seems to generate a bunch of errors. I saw that there's a SysIII bj.s, which is almost identical to the 2.11 one; so the latter is probably descended from the first, which I assume is Bell source. So I grabbed it and tried to assemble it. The errors are because bj.s is designed to be assembled along with another assembler source file, which contains the following routines which are missing from bj.s: mesg decml nline Dunno if you're aware of this, but, the line 'as a.s b.s' _doesn't_ separately assemble a.s and b.s, rather it's as if you'd typed 'cat a.s b.s > temp.s ; as temp.s'. (This is used in the demi-enigmatic "as data.s l.s" in the system generation procedure.) I looked around in the sources that come with V6, and I didn't see any obvious such file. I'm going to whip the required routines up really quickly, and see if the results assemble/run. I looked to see if I could steal them from the binary of 'bj' on V6, and... it looks like that binary is totally different from this source. Let me look into this... > Also other assembly source files don't seem to have .even in them. The V6 assembler groks '.even'. Noel From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 06:00:43 2015 From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5 Message-ID: <20150612200043.4F65218C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > From: Noel Chiappa > another assembler source file, which contains the following routines > which are missing from bj.s: I missed some. It also wants quest1, quest2 and quest5 (and maybe more). This may present a bit of a problem, as I can't find any trace of them anywhere, and will have to work out from the source what their arguments, etc are, what they do, etc. I wonder how on earth the 2.11 people got this to assemble? (Or maybe they didn't?) Noel From cubexyz at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 06:16:20 2015 From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:16:20 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5 In-Reply-To: <20150612200043.4F65218C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20150612200043.4F65218C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: > I missed some. It also wants quest1, quest2 and quest5 (and maybe more). > This may present a bit of a problem, as I can't find any trace of them > anywhere, and will have to work out from the source what their arguments, > etc are, what they do, etc. > > I wonder how on earth the 2.11 people got this to assemble? (Or maybe they > didn't?) > > Noel You gave me a good hint :) in 2.11bsd: cd /usr/src/games/pdp su make bj which does: as -o bj.o etc.s bj.s us.s ld -o bj bj.o -lc the executable seems to work OK. I tried to assemble it in v5 and it actually does assemble but then gives "Memory fault -- Core dumped" when trying to run it. I was wrong about .even, the v5 assembler does understand it. It might just be easier to modify a later version of bj.c so the v5 compiler could use it. On 6/12/15, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Noel Chiappa > > > another assembler source file, which contains the following routines > > which are missing from bj.s: > > I missed some. It also wants quest1, quest2 and quest5 (and maybe more). > This may present a bit of a problem, as I can't find any trace of them > anywhere, and will have to work out from the source what their arguments, > etc are, what they do, etc. > > I wonder how on earth the 2.11 people got this to assemble? (Or maybe they > didn't?) > > Noel > From cubexyz at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 06:33:36 2015 From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:33:36 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5 Message-ID: OK, success... in Unix v5: as bj.s etc.s us.s ld a.out -lc mv a.out bj chmod 0744 bj It seems to work OK now. Probably should work on v6 and v7 as well. Mark From jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 06:51:32 2015 From: jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5 Message-ID: <20150612205132.BE2C718C0C0@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > From: Mark Longridge > OK, success... Yeah, I just got there too, but by a slightly longer route! (Google wasn't turning up the matches for the routines I needed, which you found in etc.s, etc - it seems the source archive on Minnie isn't being indexed by Google. So I wound up cobbling them together with a mix of stuff from other places, along with stuff I wrote/modified.) > Probably should work on v6 and v7 as well. Does on V6, dunno about V7. > It seems to work OK now. Yes, but this is _not_ the source for the V5/V6 'bj'. (I just checked, and the V5 and V6 binaries are identical.) Right at the moment, I've used enough time on this - I may get back to it later, and disassemble the V5/V6 binary and see what the original source looks like. Noel From cowan at ccil.org Sat Jun 13 06:57:30 2015 From: cowan at ccil.org (cowan at ccil.org) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 16:57:30 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d69d0d25b14df67d255357b897087c2.squirrel@www.ccil.org> Mark Longridge scripsit: > OK, success... > > in Unix v5: Excellent! Why not post a transcript of a game? -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan at ccil.org Pour moi, les villes du Silmarillion ont plus de realite que Babylone. --Christopher Tolkien, as interviewed by Le Monde From ron at ronnatalie.com Sat Jun 13 07:01:20 2015 From: ron at ronnatalie.com (Ronald Natalie) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:01:20 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <116CD5A1-BA47-4F7D-9DE5-C1AA87A34848@ronnatalie.com> 744? You want the group and others to be able to read but not execute? > On Jun 12, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Mark Longridge wrote: > > OK, success... > > in Unix v5: > > as bj.s etc.s us.s > ld a.out -lc > mv a.out bj > chmod 0744 bj > > It seems to work OK now. Probably should work on v6 and v7 as well. > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From cubexyz at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 08:23:18 2015 From: cubexyz at gmail.com (Mark Longridge) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:23:18 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5 In-Reply-To: <116CD5A1-BA47-4F7D-9DE5-C1AA87A34848@ronnatalie.com> References: <116CD5A1-BA47-4F7D-9DE5-C1AA87A34848@ronnatalie.com> Message-ID: > 744? You want the group and others to be able to read but not execute? You are right, chmod 0755 would have made more sense. On 6/12/15, Ronald Natalie wrote: > 744? You want the group and others to be able to read but not execute? > >> On Jun 12, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Mark Longridge wrote: >> >> OK, success... >> >> in Unix v5: >> >> as bj.s etc.s us.s >> ld a.out -lc >> mv a.out bj >> chmod 0744 bj >> >> It seems to work OK now. Probably should work on v6 and v7 as well. >> >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> TUHS mailing list >> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > From grog at lemis.com Sat Jun 13 08:46:38 2015 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:46:38 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5 In-Reply-To: References: <20150612183937.00ECF18C0BE@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20150612224638.GE76944@eureka.lemis.com> On Friday, 12 June 2015 at 15:01:51 -0400, Mark Longridge wrote: > On 6/12/15, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> Where's the binary? I'd like to take a look at it, and see if the >> source was assembler, or C (there's a C version in the source tree, >> too). Then I can look and see how close it is to that 2.11 source - >> that may be a re-implementation, and totally different. > > Here it is: > > http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v5-bj-pdp-11-executable > > Judging by it's small size I figure the original code was assembly > language. Wouldn't it make sense to disassemble it and create a source file from that? Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Recently, for reasons related both to NFS permissions and to hardware testing, I have occasionally been making directories with mode 753. At the place I worked 20 years ago, we wanted a directory into which anonymous ftp could write, so that people could send us files; but we didn't want it to become a place for creeps to stash their creepy files. I thought about the problem briefly, then made the directory with mode 0270, owned by the user used for anonymous ftp and by a group containing all the staff members allowed to receive files that way. That way creeps could deposit files but couldn't see what was there. I also told cron to run every ten minutes, changing the permissions of any file in that directory to 0060. Oh, and I had already maniacally (and paranoiacally) excised from ftpd the code allowing ftp to change permissions. I admit I can't think of a reason to use 744 offhand, since if you can read the file you can copy it and make the copy executable. But UNIX permissions can be used in so many interesting ways that I'm not willing to claim there is no such reason just because I can't see what it is. Norman Wilson Toronto ON From cowan at mercury.ccil.org Sun Jun 14 11:41:55 2015 From: cowan at mercury.ccil.org (John Cowan) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 21:41:55 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5 In-Reply-To: <20150614010848.E047B1DE38E@lignose.oclsc.org> References: <20150614010848.E047B1DE38E@lignose.oclsc.org> Message-ID: <20150614014155.GC20321@mercury.ccil.org> Norman Wilson scripsit: > Oh, and I had already maniacally (and paranoiacally) > excised from ftpd the code allowing ftp to change permissions. I needed an FTP server some time back to support only *non*-anonymous logins, where the logins had nothing to do with the underlying system. I came up with this: I was going to add HTTP support with basic auth, but never got around to it. > I admit I can't think of a reason to use 744 offhand, since > if you can read the file you can copy it and make the copy > executable. But it won't be owned by the original owner, which means any setuid bit will give it the permissions of the copy-maker. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan at ccil.org Awk!" sed Grep. "A fscking python is perloining my Ruby; let me bash him with a Cshell! Vi didn't I mount it on a troff?" --Francis Turner From random832 at fastmail.us Sun Jun 14 12:50:24 2015 From: random832 at fastmail.us (random832 at fastmail.us) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2015 22:50:24 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] success, bj assembled and linked in Unix v5 In-Reply-To: <20150614014155.GC20321@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20150614010848.E047B1DE38E@lignose.oclsc.org> <20150614014155.GC20321@mercury.ccil.org> Message-ID: <1434250224.3528778.294918977.25E8E029@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015, at 21:41, John Cowan wrote: > But it won't be owned by the original owner, which means any setuid bit > will give it the permissions of the copy-maker. Right, but 744 doesn't include a setuid bit. From lars at nocrew.org Mon Jun 15 15:14:04 2015 From: lars at nocrew.org (Lars Brinkhoff) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:14:04 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] recreating bj.s for Unix v5 In-Reply-To: (Mark Longridge's message of "Fri, 12 Jun 2015 14:23:33 -0400") References: Message-ID: <86egldo8o3.fsf@vps34351.public.cloudvps.com> Mark Longridge writes: > Another idea would be generate the source code from the executable > itself, but there doesn't seem to be a disassembler for early Unix. There is a PDP-11 disassembler in GNU binutils. Maybe you can adapt it four your needs. From arnold at skeeve.com Wed Jun 17 15:29:04 2015 From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:29:04 +0300 Subject: [TUHS] O'Reilly X11 books, take two Message-ID: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com> Hi All. As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 books from the early 90s. I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of mailing from Israel. One person said they were interested but didn't follow up with me, so I'm again offering to the list. First one to get back to me wins. :-) Thanks, Arnold From arnold at skeeve.com Wed Jun 17 15:31:24 2015 From: arnold at skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 08:31:24 +0300 Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history Message-ID: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com> I recently came across this: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~bwk/202 It's been there for a while but I hadn't noticed it. It describes the trials and tribulations of getting the Mergenthaler 202 up and running at Bell Labs and is very interesting reading. I have already requested that they archive their work with TUHS and gotten a positve response about this from David Brailsford. In the meantime, it's fun reading! Enjoy, Arnold From gilbertmm at sdf.org Wed Jun 17 15:47:38 2015 From: gilbertmm at sdf.org (Gilbert Morgan) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:47:38 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] O'Reilly X11 books, take two In-Reply-To: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com> References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com> Message-ID: <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> I'm interested. Count me in. > Hi All. > > As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 books > from the early 90s. > > I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of mailing > from Israel. > > One person said they were interested but didn't follow up with me, so > I'm again offering to the list. First one to get back to me wins. :-) > > Thanks, > > Arnold > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > -- gilbertmm at sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From arnold at skeeve.com Wed Jun 17 16:45:40 2015 From: arnold at skeeve.com (arnold at skeeve.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:45:40 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] X11 books In-Reply-To: <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com> <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> Message-ID: <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org> OK, you got it. Please send mailing address. Thanks, Arnold "Gilbert Morgan" wrote: > I'm interested. Count me in. > > > > > Hi All. > > > > As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 books > > from the early 90s. > > > > I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of mailing > > from Israel. > > > > One person said they were interested but didn't follow up with me, so > > I'm again offering to the list. First one to get back to me wins. :-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Arnold > > _______________________________________________ > > TUHS mailing list > > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > > > > -- > gilbertmm at sdf.org > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From grog at lemis.com Wed Jun 17 17:50:39 2015 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 17:50:39 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] X11 books In-Reply-To: <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org> References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com> <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org> Message-ID: <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com> On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 0:45:40 -0600, arnold at skeeve.com wrote: > "Gilbert Morgan" wrote: >> >>> Hi All. >>> >>> As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 books >>> from the early 90s. >>> >>> I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of mailing >>> from Israel. > >> I'm interested. Count me in. > > OK, you got it. Please send mailing address. If anybody else is interested, I have a set too. Also the complete 4.4BSD manual set. Postage would be from Australia this time. Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer. Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm interested in the 4.4BSD manuals. meillo From gilbertmm at sdf.org Wed Jun 17 18:12:03 2015 From: gilbertmm at sdf.org (Gilbert Morgan) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 01:12:03 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] X11 books In-Reply-To: <1Z58Jp-0u6-00@marmaro.de> References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com> <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org> <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com> <1Z58Jp-0u6-00@marmaro.de> Message-ID: If Markus ends up not getting the 4.4BSD Manuals, I will take them. Just let me know. > [2015-06-17 17:50] Greg 'groggy' Lehey >> >> Also the complete 4.4BSD manual set. > > I'm interested in the 4.4BSD manuals. > > > meillo > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > -- gilbertmm at sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org From vu3rdd at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 19:26:10 2015 From: vu3rdd at gmail.com (Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:56:10 +0530 Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals? Message-ID: Anyone got Plan 9 4th edition manuals or Inferno Manuals? I will be interested to buy them. Vitanuova used to sell them, but their payment system is down for years now and has been brought up to Charles many times, but it seem to be still down, so there is no way to buy it from them. -- Ramakrishnan From 0intro at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 19:34:09 2015 From: 0intro at gmail.com (David du Colombier) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:34:09 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Anyone got Plan 9 4th edition manuals or Inferno Manuals? I will be > interested to buy them. Vitanuova used to sell them, but their payment > system is down for years now and has been brought up to Charles many > times, but it seem to be still down, so there is no way to buy it from > them. Alternatively, you could still generate the two up-to-date PDF manuals from /sys/doc and print them on one of the print-on-demand services. You won't get the nice colorful covers though. -- David du Colombier From vu3rdd at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 19:39:56 2015 From: vu3rdd at gmail.com (Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 15:09:56 +0530 Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 3:04 PM, David du Colombier <0intro at gmail.com> wrote: >> Anyone got Plan 9 4th edition manuals or Inferno Manuals? I will be >> interested to buy them. Vitanuova used to sell them, but their payment >> system is down for years now and has been brought up to Charles many >> times, but it seem to be still down, so there is no way to buy it from >> them. > > Alternatively, you could still generate the two up-to-date PDF manuals > from /sys/doc and print them on one of the print-on-demand services. yes, I have PDFs of them. I just wanted to know if anyone has original copies for sale. -- Ramakrishnan From milov at cs.uwlax.edu Wed Jun 17 21:52:38 2015 From: milov at cs.uwlax.edu (Milo Velimirovic) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 06:52:38 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history In-Reply-To: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com> References: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com> Message-ID: <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu> Oh my! This brings back memories from the 1980s. I worked at a publishing company and had many dealings with a 202. I suspect that our travails were increased by the equipment we used to drive our 202, a DG Eclipse S/130 and a serial connection that used the paper tape reader interface. - Milo > On Jun 17, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Aharon Robbins wrote: > > I recently came across this: > > http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~bwk/202 > > It's been there for a while but I hadn't noticed it. It describes the > trials and tribulations of getting the Mergenthaler 202 up and running > at Bell Labs and is very interesting reading. > > I have already requested that they archive their work with TUHS and > gotten a positve response about this from David Brailsford. In the > meantime, it's fun reading! > > Enjoy, > > Arnold > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 00:49:24 2015 From: gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com (Gregg Levine) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:49:24 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history In-Reply-To: <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu> References: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com> <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu> Message-ID: Hello! On a setup like that? I may not know UNIX as much as I want to, as much as all of you, but I do know my way around a DG Eclipse and a Mergenthaler 202. Do recall who set things up? Because they did it wrong. That Mergenthaler 202 had a dedicated port for communicating with the host. The tape reader was only used upon starting the machine when it gets uncrated by the company rep. The new users need to follow a series of steps to load the fonts into the machines internal storage. The user needs to use a special system to write a FST tape to do that. Now if you were talking about a Mergenthaler VIP then yes you'd need to go through the tape device, a special contraption was constructed to translate serial into something the tape device understood. How do I know this? My father ran a series of phototypesetting shops each being run by DG hardware, including that fellow. While those systems didn't run the dedicated OS that DG normally supplied, they ran one written for the purposes of doing composition. Incidentally some of the features of UNIX were constructed to do phototypesetting, and in this case that's how copies of the C programming book were originally set. Now I freely admit if someone did indeed succeed in porting UNIX to that DG, and in fact that's why the two were connected that way, but for the vast majority of shops during the late 80s and during most of the 90s who bought the software I've described and also the hardware that's how it was done. The one who did not. picked the same hardware, but an APS Mark 5 type printer...... I'd give one of my favorite character's lives (if possible) to obtain one of those specialized terminals..... It was similar to the Altair and ASR33 (with paper tape reader/punch feature enabled) but it used a VDT. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Milo Velimirovic wrote: > Oh my! This brings back memories from the 1980s. I worked at a publishing company and had many dealings with a 202. I suspect that our travails were increased by the equipment we used to drive our 202, a DG Eclipse S/130 and a serial connection that used the paper tape reader interface. > > - Milo > >> On Jun 17, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Aharon Robbins wrote: >> >> I recently came across this: >> >> http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~bwk/202 >> >> It's been there for a while but I hadn't noticed it. It describes the >> trials and tribulations of getting the Mergenthaler 202 up and running >> at Bell Labs and is very interesting reading. >> >> I have already requested that they archive their work with TUHS and >> gotten a positve response about this from David Brailsford. In the >> meantime, it's fun reading! >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Arnold >> _______________________________________________ >> TUHS mailing list >> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From ckeck at texoma.net Thu Jun 18 00:44:25 2015 From: ckeck at texoma.net (Cornelius Keck) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:44:25 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] X11 books In-Reply-To: <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com> References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com> <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org> <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com> Message-ID: <599fa6736330390a8b4211860def5a9e.squirrel@www.texoma.net> I'll take the X11 set, and the 4.4BSD if nobody else picks them up.. On Wed, June 17, 2015 03:50, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 17 June 2015 at 0:45:40 -0600, arnold at skeeve.com wrote: > >> "Gilbert Morgan" wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> Hi All. >>>> >>>> >>>> As mentioned a few weeks ago, I have a full set of the O'Reilly X11 >>>> books from the early 90s. >>>> >>>> I'm willing to send them on to a better home for the cost of >>>> mailing from Israel. >> >>> I'm interested. Count me in. >>> >> >> OK, you got it. Please send mailing address. >> > > If anybody else is interested, I have a set too. Also the complete > 4.4BSD manual set. Postage would be from Australia this time. > > > Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports > problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > From brantleycoile at me.com Thu Jun 18 00:55:32 2015 From: brantleycoile at me.com (Brantley Coile) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 10:55:32 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Anyone have a pdf of the C/A/T manual Message-ID: <6D611BE2-8FF1-4B61-9263-95BBEC779F0A@me.com> I remember seeing a manual on the C/A/T typesetter at one point. I didn’t see it in bitsavers.org. Anyone have a pdf of it? bwc From cowan at ccil.org Thu Jun 18 03:09:27 2015 From: cowan at ccil.org (cowan at ccil.org) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 13:09:27 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history In-Reply-To: References: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com> <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu> Message-ID: <3673be10cad03fd03b3f3e2485eeebc1.squirrel@www.ccil.org> Gregg Levine scripsit: > Now I freely admit if someone did indeed succeed in porting UNIX to > that DG, and in fact that's why the two were connected that way, but > for the vast majority of shops during the late 80s and during most of > the 90s who bought the software I've described and also the hardware > that's how it was done. AFAIK there was no port of any 16-bit Unix to the Eclipse. The Eclipse MV (32-bit) had a port of SVR2. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan at ccil.org Sir, I quite agree with you, but what are we two against so many? --George Bernard Shaw, to a man booing at the opening of _Arms and the Man_ From gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 04:47:18 2015 From: gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com (Gregg Levine) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:47:18 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] typesetting history In-Reply-To: <3673be10cad03fd03b3f3e2485eeebc1.squirrel@www.ccil.org> References: <201506170531.t5H5VOUY004316@skeeve.com> <9D67C5EA-3395-47FB-BB7E-05C471FD1B2F@cs.uwlax.edu> <3673be10cad03fd03b3f3e2485eeebc1.squirrel@www.ccil.org> Message-ID: Hello! Indeed. I did know about the MV series of machines and in fact that's the fellow I met during the period that I referenced. I knew that no such port was constructed for the first generation machines. And incidentally the DG machines I first met were a NOVA-2 and then a NOVA-3. Finally one who started out as a NOVA-4 but became an MV Eclipse design. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > Gregg Levine scripsit: > >> Now I freely admit if someone did indeed succeed in porting UNIX to >> that DG, and in fact that's why the two were connected that way, but >> for the vast majority of shops during the late 80s and during most of >> the 90s who bought the software I've described and also the hardware >> that's how it was done. > > AFAIK there was no port of any 16-bit Unix to the Eclipse. The Eclipse > MV (32-bit) had a port of SVR2. > > -- > John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan at ccil.org > Sir, I quite agree with you, but what are we two against so many? > --George Bernard Shaw, > to a man booing at the opening of _Arms and the Man_ > > From reed at reedmedia.net Thu Jun 18 05:53:05 2015 From: reed at reedmedia.net (Jeremy C. Reed) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TUHS] BSD manual set experience Message-ID: Prompted by another thread, I decided to share about some of my experience with providing printed BSD manuals. I was given a 4.4BSD set with the understanding that I would work on preparing new print editions using NetBSD. It was a significant undertaking. I ended up just doing Section 8 System. Here is a summary of what I did: - Build the NetBSD distribution (which gets the manual pages generated or at least put in place). - Manual clean up, like remove a link to manual page that wasn't needed and remove a duplicated manual (in two sub-sections). - Learned about permuted index (the long KWIC index cross-reference). Generated a list of characters and terms to ignore for building my permuted index. Wrote script to generate it, including converting to LaTeX using longtable. This resulted in 2937 entries and was 68 pages in printed book. - Create list of all an section 8 pages, pruned for duplicate inodes. - Also have a list of 40 filenames of other manpages to include in the man8 book. These are system maintenance procedures or commands that are in wrong section or could be section 8 (or weren't installed). (Examples are ipftest, pkg_admin, postsuper.) - Generate a sorted list of all the manuals. - Look for any missing manual pages. Script to check for libexec or sbin tools not in man8, such as supfilesrv or supscan is really supservers.8 and missing kdigest.8. Get those files in place as needed. I cannot remember now, but I think I may have wrote some missing manuals or got others to submit some (officially). - Script to make sure all man pages are in order. This found some duplicate manual pages with different inodes, wrong man macro DT values, wrong filename, wrong sections, etc. Some of these were reported upstream or fixed. - Script to create the book as a single huge postscript file, then a PDF. Reviewed the possible ROFF related errors and warnings. (On 2009-10-23, it was 1304 pdf pages from 572 manuals.) - Script to figure out licenses. This was substantial! It looked for copyright patterns in manual source, excluded junk formatting like revision control markers, include some extra licenses that weren't included in the manpage itself (like GPL2). Then another script to generate LaTeX from the copyrights and licenses. It removed duplicate license statements and sorted the copyrights. So some license statements had many copyrights using the same license verbiage. This represented 620 copyrighted files with approximately 683 copyright lines and 109 different licenses. Yes 109! That resulted in approximately 68 printed pages, pages 1461 through 1529. This didn't duplicate any license verbiage. (I just realized that was the same length as my permuted index.) A few things to note: Some authors chose to use different names for different copyright statements. Some authors used their names or assigned the copyright to the project. Some licenses included software or authors names instead of generic terms. Many BSD style licenses were slightly changed with different grammar, etc. Many contributors created own license or reworded someone else's existing license text. As an example: "If it breaks then you get to keep both pieces." :) The four most common license statements represented 113 "THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS" manuals, 75 "THE NETBSD FOUNDATION, INC." manuals, and 35 "IBM" (aka Postfix) manuals, and 30 generic "THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS" manuals. I found many were missing licenses. I hunted down original authors, looked in CVS history, etc to help resolve some of these. I also reported about still missing licenses to the project. We will assume they meant it is open source and can be distributed since nobody has complained for years (even prior to my printed work) :) - Generated a list of required advertising acknowledgments in LaTeX to import into one printed book (and for webpage). - Split my long PDF into two volumes. Used LaTeX pdfpages package and includepdf to include the generated PDFs. I made sure the page numbers continued in the second book from end of previous volume. (After printing, I realized a mistake where the second volume had odd numbers on left pages, but order is still correct, so I assume nobody else noticed.) Historically, the System Manager's Manual (SMM) also included other system installation and administration documentation (in addition to the manual pages). My work didn't include that documentation (some of which was unmaintained since 4.4BSD in 1993 and covers some software and features that are no longer included with NetBSD). That could be another project. I only did the SMM / manual section 8. I realized if I did all manuals, my book set would be well over ten thousand printed pages. The amount of work and initial printing costs would not be worth it with the little money it could bring in. It was certainly a learning experience, plus some benefit such as cleanup of some mandoc/roff code, filename renames, copyright/license additions, and manual pages added. Jeremy C. Reed echo 'EhZ[h ^jjf0%%h[[Zc[Z_W$d[j%Xeeai%ZW[ced#]dk#f[d]k_d%' | \ tr '#-~' '\-.-{' From dave at horsfall.org Fri Jun 19 02:53:58 2015 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 02:53:58 +1000 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] X11 books In-Reply-To: <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com> References: <201506170529.t5H5T4u4004247@skeeve.com> <8428059f5d1a95246037786bac1be280.squirrel@wm.sdf.org> <201506170645.t5H6jevF008625@freefriends.org> <20150617075039.GE75431@eureka.lemis.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > If anybody else is interested, I have a set too. Also the complete > 4.4BSD manual set. Postage would be from Australia this time. Herewith my (belated) interest in the BSD docs... I'm in .AU land. -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer." http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there) From dave at horsfall.org Fri Jun 19 03:10:20 2015 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 03:10:20 +1000 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, David du Colombier wrote: > Alternatively, you could still generate the two up-to-date PDF manuals > from /sys/doc and print them on one of the print-on-demand services. You > won't get the nice colorful covers though. And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word "Copyright"... Yeah, it's freely redistributable. "But Sir, it's copyright!" KwikCopy, I'm looking at you. -- Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer." http://www.horsfall.org/spam.html (and check the home page whilst you're there) From aram.h at mgk.ro Fri Jun 19 03:27:35 2015 From: aram.h at mgk.ro (=?UTF-8?B?QXJhbSBIxIN2xINybmVhbnU=?=) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:27:35 +0200 Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word > "Copyright"... Plan 9 (including the manuals) is licensed under the LPL, which is quite similar to the MIT license. -- Aram Hăvărneanu From random832 at fastmail.us Fri Jun 19 03:33:27 2015 From: random832 at fastmail.us (random832 at fastmail.us) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:33:27 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1434648807.4188905.299226985.63F09DDE@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015, at 13:27, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > > And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word > > "Copyright"... > > Plan 9 (including the manuals) is licensed under the LPL, which is > quite similar to the MIT license. The point is that a free license doesn't matter if the guy at the print shop can't read. From khm at sciops.net Fri Jun 19 03:32:17 2015 From: khm at sciops.net (Kurt H Maier) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 17:32:17 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150618173217.Horde.2OjN1k4Pd2pKHekoeVCHuxi@ssl.eumx.net> Quoting Aram Hăvărneanu : > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: >> And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word >> "Copyright"... > > Plan 9 (including the manuals) is licensed under the LPL, which is > quite similar to the MIT license. These subtleties are lost on the people who work the front desk at print shops. Anti-litigation practices indicate that anything with any kind of copyright verbage is verboten. khm From cym224 at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 05:04:23 2015 From: cym224 at gmail.com (Nemo) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:04:23 -0400 Subject: [TUHS] Plan 9/Inferno Manuals? In-Reply-To: <20150618173217.Horde.2OjN1k4Pd2pKHekoeVCHuxi@ssl.eumx.net> References: <20150618173217.Horde.2OjN1k4Pd2pKHekoeVCHuxi@ssl.eumx.net> Message-ID: On 18 June 2015 at 13:32, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Quoting Aram Hăvărneanu : > >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Dave Horsfall wrote: >>> >>> And you won't even get that far if the material contains the dreaded word >>> "Copyright"... >> >> >> Plan 9 (including the manuals) is licensed under the LPL, which is >> quite similar to the MIT license. > > > These subtleties are lost on the people who work the front desk at print > shops. Anti-litigation practices indicate that anything with any kind of > copyright verbage is verboten. Indeed. Some years ago, we were hosting a standards meeting and went out to copy the latest draft. The first shop would not touch it because it said copyright -- despite the author being present with identification. Kinko's, as it was then, copied it after we signed a waiver. N. From dave at horsfall.org Mon Jun 22 02:06:54 2015 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 02:06:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] Anyone else here remember Portapunch? Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Re: [GreenKeys] Replacing Chad, was: Black tape On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Jones, Douglas W wrote: > The flaws in the Votomatic were a bit subtle, but in retrospect, if you > read the patents for the IBM Portapunch (the direct predecessor of the > Votomatic) and for the Votomatic, you find that the flaw that was its > eventual downfall -- at least in the public's mind -- is fully > documented in the patents. Of course IBM's (and later CESI's, after IBM > walked away from the Votomatic in the late 1960s) salesmen never > mentioned those flaws. Portapunch? Arrgghh! We had to put up with that Satan-spawn in our University days... Only 40 columns wide, it had specific encodings for FORTRAN words, and it was just as well that FORTRAN ignored white space (I know this for a fact, when I fed a deck into a "real" card reader one time). Being but mere impecunious Uni students and having to actually buy the things, we resorted to fixing mis-punches by literally sticky-taping the chads back. For some reason, the computer operators (IBM 360/50) hated us... I really do hope that the inventor of Portapunch is still having holes punched through him with a paper-clip. From dave at horsfall.org Mon Jun 29 17:30:16 2015 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:30:16 +1000 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson Message-ID: Haven't found any more info... -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer" http://www.horsfall.org/ It's just a silly little web site, that's all... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400 From: Dave Farber To: ip Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Lauren Weinstein" Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM Subject: Death of Greg Chesson To: Cc: Dave, fyi. https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren Founder:  - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org  - PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility: http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com Google+: http://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein Twitter: http://twitter.com/laurenweinstein Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 / Skype: vortex.com Archives [feed-icon-10x10.jpg] | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now [listbox-logo-small.png] From clemc at ccc.com Mon Jun 29 22:44:58 2015 From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:44:58 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greg had been sick for a while. Sad loss. Clem On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > Haven't found any more info... > > -- > Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer" > http://www.horsfall.org/ It's just a silly little web site, that's all... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400 > From: Dave Farber > To: ip > Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Lauren Weinstein" > Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM > Subject: Death of Greg Chesson > To: > Cc: > > > Dave, fyi. > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG > > --Lauren-- > Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren > Founder: > - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org > - PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info > Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility: > http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info > Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy > Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com > Google+: http://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein > Twitter: http://twitter.com/laurenweinstein > Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 / Skype: vortex.com > > Archives [feed-icon-10x10.jpg] | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > [listbox-logo-small.png] > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lm at mcvoy.com Mon Jun 29 22:52:38 2015 From: lm at mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 05:52:38 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:44:58AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > Greg had been sick for a while. Sad loss. > Clem Greg is/was a good friend of mine, was my mentor at SGI. He came up to see me a while back, he was sharp as ever. I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel better: http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/ --lm From lm at mcvoy.com Mon Jun 29 23:52:22 2015 From: lm at mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:52:22 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson In-Reply-To: <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com> References: <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: <20150629135222.GC24918@mcvoy.com> I'm going to be AFK all day but a couple of things: If anyone wants to come out for the funeral (once I figure out when/where that is) I can offer up a place to stay. Looking at you, Clem, love to meet you in person and talk Masscomp. When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share some Greg stories, I have enough of them. So I'll try and do that. On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 05:52:38AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:44:58AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: > > Greg had been sick for a while. Sad loss. > > Clem > > Greg is/was a good friend of mine, was my mentor at SGI. He came up to > see me a while back, he was sharp as ever. > > I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel > better: > > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/ > > --lm > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm From mah at mhorton.net Tue Jun 30 03:03:54 2015 From: mah at mhorton.net (Mary Ann Horton) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:03:54 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20150629100354.12481zqiuso7z4vu@webmail.mhorton.net> I'm so sorry to hear of Greg's passing. I still have the "Reach Out And Grep Someone" bumper sticker he gave me on my cubicle at SDG&E. Mary Ann Quoting Dave Horsfall : > Haven't found any more info... > > -- > Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer" > http://www.horsfall.org/ It's just a silly little web site, that's all... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400 > From: Dave Farber > To: ip > Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Lauren Weinstein" > Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM > Subject: Death of Greg Chesson > To: > Cc: > > > Dave, fyi. > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG > > --Lauren-- > Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren > Founder: >  - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org >  - PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info > Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility: > http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info > Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy > Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com > Google+: http://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein > Twitter: http://twitter.com/laurenweinstein > Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 / Skype: vortex.com > > Archives [feed-icon-10x10.jpg] | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > [listbox-logo-small.png] From norman at oclsc.org Tue Jun 30 08:25:47 2015 From: norman at oclsc.org (Norman Wilson) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson Message-ID: <20150629222547.E81011DE391@lignose.oclsc.org> When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share some Greg stories, I have enough of them. So I'll try and do that. If anyone wants to do that in person, USENIX ATC is next week and would be an appropriate venue. Perhaps a Greg Chesson Memorial BOF? Norman Wilson Toronto ON From dave at horsfall.org Tue Jun 30 09:12:46 2015 From: dave at horsfall.org (Dave Horsfall) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:12:46 +1000 (EST) Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson In-Reply-To: <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com> References: <20150629125238.GA23951@mcvoy.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Larry McVoy wrote: > I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel > better: > > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/ For some reason, I am reminded of the hayride scene in "The Dish" (yes, they do a hayride from time to time). See the film. I've been to PKS, and took a few photos; their machine room has lots of computers labelled "Unix" :-) Oh, they're over here somewhere: http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/ My favourite is http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/dscf0010.jpg . Ah, here it is: http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/dscf0017.jpg . -- Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer" http://www.horsfall.org/ It's just a silly little web site, that's all... From rudi.j.blom at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 12:18:38 2015 From: rudi.j.blom at gmail.com (Rudi Blom) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:18:38 +0700 Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson Message-ID: Much to my surprise I see there isn't a WIKI page on Greg Chesson yet? Maybe some of his friends get get together on submit one ? Cheers, rudi On 6/30/15, tuhs-request at minnie.tuhs.org wrote: > Send TUHS mailing list submissions to > tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tuhs-request at minnie.tuhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tuhs-owner at minnie.tuhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TUHS digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. We've lost Greg Chesson (Dave Horsfall) > 2. Re: We've lost Greg Chesson (Clem Cole) > 3. Re: We've lost Greg Chesson (Larry McVoy) > 4. Re: We've lost Greg Chesson (Larry McVoy) > 5. Re: We've lost Greg Chesson (Mary Ann Horton) > 6. Re: We've lost Greg Chesson (Norman Wilson) > 7. Re: We've lost Greg Chesson (Dave Horsfall) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:30:16 +1000 (EST) > From: Dave Horsfall > To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Haven't found any more info... > > -- > Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer" > http://www.horsfall.org/ It's just a silly little web site, that's all... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400 > From: Dave Farber > To: ip > Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Lauren Weinstein" > Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM > Subject: Death of Greg Chesson > To: > Cc: > > > Dave, fyi. > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG > > --Lauren-- > Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren > Founder: > ?- Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org > ?- PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info > Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility: > http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info > Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy > Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com > Google+: http://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein > Twitter: http://twitter.com/laurenweinstein > Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 / Skype: vortex.com > > Archives [feed-icon-10x10.jpg] | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe Now > [listbox-logo-small.png] > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:44:58 -0500 > From: Clem Cole > To: Dave Horsfall > Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Greg had been sick for a while. Sad loss. > Clem > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Dave Horsfall wrote: > >> Haven't found any more info... >> >> -- >> Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will >> suffer" >> http://www.horsfall.org/ It's just a silly little web site, that's >> all... >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400 >> From: Dave Farber >> To: ip >> Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Lauren Weinstein" >> Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM >> Subject: Death of Greg Chesson >> To: >> Cc: >> >> >> Dave, fyi. >> >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG >> >> --Lauren-- >> Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren >> Founder: >> - Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org >> - PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info >> Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility: >> http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info >> Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy >> Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com >> Google+: http://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/laurenweinstein >> Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 / Skype: vortex.com >> >> Archives [feed-icon-10x10.jpg] | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe >> Now >> [listbox-logo-small.png] >> _______________________________________________ >> TUHS mailing list >> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 05:52:38 -0700 > From: Larry McVoy > To: Clem Cole > Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson > Message-ID: <20150629125238.GA23951 at mcvoy.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:44:58AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: >> Greg had been sick for a while. Sad loss. >> Clem > > Greg is/was a good friend of mine, was my mentor at SGI. He came up to > see me a while back, he was sharp as ever. > > I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel > better: > > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/ > > --lm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:52:22 -0700 > From: Larry McVoy > To: Clem Cole > Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson > Message-ID: <20150629135222.GC24918 at mcvoy.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > I'm going to be AFK all day but a couple of things: > > If anyone wants to come out for the funeral (once I figure out > when/where that is) I can offer up a place to stay. Looking at you, > Clem, love to meet you in person and talk Masscomp. > > When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share > some Greg stories, I have enough of them. So I'll try and do that. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 05:52:38AM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 07:44:58AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote: >> > Greg had been sick for a while. Sad loss. >> > Clem >> >> Greg is/was a good friend of mine, was my mentor at SGI. He came up to >> see me a while back, he was sharp as ever. >> >> I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel >> better: >> >> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/ >> >> --lm >> _______________________________________________ >> TUHS mailing list >> TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org >> https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 10:03:54 -0700 > From: Mary Ann Horton > To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson > Message-ID: <20150629100354.12481zqiuso7z4vu at webmail.mhorton.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" > > I'm so sorry to hear of Greg's passing. I still have the "Reach Out > And Grep Someone" bumper sticker he gave me on my cubicle at SDG&E. > > Mary Ann > > Quoting Dave Horsfall : > >> Haven't found any more info... >> >> -- >> Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will >> suffer" >> http://www.horsfall.org/ It's just a silly little web site, that's >> all... >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:50:42 -0400 >> From: Dave Farber >> To: ip >> Subject: [IP] Death of Greg Chesson >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Lauren Weinstein" >> Date: Jun 28, 2015 6:43 PM >> Subject: Death of Greg Chesson >> To: >> Cc: >> >> >> Dave, fyi. >> >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+LaurenWeinstein/posts/bRdbj1B1qQG >> >> --Lauren-- >> Lauren Weinstein (lauren at vortex.com): http://www.vortex.com/lauren >> Founder: >> ?- Network Neutrality Squad: http://www.nnsquad.org >> ?- PRIVACY Forum: http://www.vortex.com/privacy-info >> Co-Founder: People For Internet Responsibility: >> http://www.pfir.org/pfir-info >> Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy >> Lauren's Blog: http://lauren.vortex.com >> Google+: http://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/laurenweinstein >> Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800 / Skype: vortex.com >> >> Archives [feed-icon-10x10.jpg] | Modify Your Subscription | Unsubscribe >> Now >> [listbox-logo-small.png] > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 18:25:47 -0400 (EDT) > From: norman at oclsc.org (Norman Wilson) > To: tuhs at tuhs.org > Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson > Message-ID: <20150629222547.E81011DE391 at lignose.oclsc.org> > > When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share > some Greg stories, I have enough of them. So I'll try and do that. > > If anyone wants to do that in person, USENIX ATC is next > week and would be an appropriate venue. Perhaps a Greg > Chesson Memorial BOF? > > Norman Wilson > Toronto ON > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:12:46 +1000 (EST) > From: Dave Horsfall > To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > Subject: Re: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2015, Larry McVoy wrote: > >> I put everyone who is sick on my excavator because it makes them feel >> better: >> >> http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/xtp+excavator/ > > For some reason, I am reminded of the hayride scene in "The Dish" (yes, > they do a hayride from time to time). > > See the film. > > I've been to PKS, and took a few photos; their machine room has lots of > computers labelled "Unix" :-) > > Oh, they're over here somewhere: > > http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/ > > My favourite is http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/dscf0010.jpg . > > Ah, here it is: http://www.horsfall.org/The_Dish/dscf0017.jpg . > > -- > Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will suffer" > http://www.horsfall.org/ It's just a silly little web site, that's all... > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > > End of TUHS Digest, Vol 125, Issue 15 > ************************************* > From lm at mcvoy.com Tue Jun 30 13:37:18 2015 From: lm at mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 20:37:18 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson In-Reply-To: <20150629222547.E81011DE391@lignose.oclsc.org> References: <20150629222547.E81011DE391@lignose.oclsc.org> Message-ID: <20150630033718.GD20453@mcvoy.com> That's a cool idea. If that happens I'll show up and blather on about how much I loved Greg. On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 06:25:47PM -0400, Norman Wilson wrote: > When I get back to a keyboard I thought maybe it would be nice to share > some Greg stories, I have enough of them. So I'll try and do that. > > If anyone wants to do that in person, USENIX ATC is next > week and would be an appropriate venue. Perhaps a Greg > Chesson Memorial BOF? > > Norman Wilson > Toronto ON > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > https://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs -- --- Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com http://www.mcvoy.com/lm From dds at aueb.gr Tue Jun 30 18:15:20 2015 From: dds at aueb.gr (Diomidis Spinellis) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 11:15:20 +0300 Subject: [TUHS] We've lost Greg Chesson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55925018.1090501@aueb.gr> I'd love to document Greg Chesson's contributions in the Unix history repository [1]. I'm ashamed to say that I seem to have missed them. Are there particular pieces of code we know he authored? Just send me a brief note, or, even better, a GitHub pull request for the author-path map files [2]. I will summarize to the list. [1] https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo [2] https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-make/tree/master/src/author-path Many thanks, Diomidis On 30/06/2015 05:18, Rudi Blom wrote: > Much to my surprise I see there isn't a WIKI page on Greg Chesson yet? > > Maybe some of his friends get get together on submit one ? > > Cheers, > rudi